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Scaling in Trading: How Scaling In and Scaling Out Change Risk and Reward

Entering or exiting a position in several steps, worked through in dollars and in R. What adding to a trade does to your risk, what partial profits cost in the best case, and how to tell from your own records which plan pays.

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Stop left in placeStop raised to entryAddAverageFirst entryFirst stopRisk tripledSame risk as beforethe addWidth: shares held. Height: distance from the averageentry to the stop. Shaded area: the money at risk.Dashed outline: the first lot alone, before the add.
On this page
  1. Scaling in: adding to a position
  2. Three ways to scale in
  3. Scaling out: taking partial profits
  4. Moving the stop after a partial exit
  5. What scaling costs
  6. Is it true that 97% of day traders lose money?
  7. Frequently asked questions

Scaling in means building a position in several entries instead of one; scaling out means closing it in several exits. Both change two numbers you can compute before the trade: how much you lose if the stop is hit, and how much you make if the target is reached. The worked examples below, all hypothetical, show that neither technique lowers risk or raises gains by itself: each one trades part of one for part of the other.

Scaling in: adding to a position

Adding to a winning trade (pyramiding) raises the average entry price. If the stop stays where it was, the money at risk grows faster than the position.

Adding to a winner: what happens to the money at risk

Stop left in placeStop raised to entryAddAverageFirst entryFirst stopRisk tripledSame risk as beforethe addWidth: shares held. Height: distance from the averageentry to the stop. Shaded area: the money at risk.Dashed outline: the first lot alone, before the add.
Schematic, not market data. Two equal lots, the second bought higher; proportions of the worked example on this page.The worked example above in pictures: the add triples the money at risk until the stop is raised to the first entry.

The rule that follows: after every add, recompute the risk from the new average price and move the stop so that the total stays within the amount you set for one trade (see position size). Adding to a losing trade (averaging down) does the opposite: it lowers the average price but increases the position just as the market proves the entry wrong, and the risk only stays bounded if the stop does not move.

Three ways to scale in

Traders who scale in do it in one of three ways, and they do not carry the same risk.

  • Equal parts as the trade works. The plan sets the full size in advance and buys it in equal slices at set intervals in your favor. The Turtle rules did this with Units: one Unit at the breakout, then one more every half N (half the average true range), up to four, with the stop of every Unit raised by half N at each add. In the rules' crude oil example, the stops move from 25.90 to 27.70 as the adds come in at 28.90, 29.50 and 30.10. More on our Turtle Traders page.
  • A pyramid. Each add is triggered by a profit, and the slices can grow. The narrator of Reminiscences of a Stock Operator, the book about Jesse Livermore, describes his rule for cotton: buy in slices of 10,000, 10,000 and 20,000 bales, each only after the market had moved his way, and get out entirely if the first 10,000 or 20,000 bales showed a loss.
  • Averaging down. Each add comes after the price has moved against you. The average price falls, but the position grows exactly while the market says the entry was wrong, and the stop is the only thing that caps the loss.

Pyramiding as the narrator of Reminiscences describes it

Probe showsa loss: outBuy one partAdd one partafter a gainAdd two partsafter a larger gainAverage costPosition size
Schematic, not market data. Drawn from the rule in the book: add only after a profit, cut a probe that shows a loss.A pyramid adds only after a gain: the average cost rises behind the price but stays below it.

The first two only add to a trade that already shows a profit; the third adds to one that shows a loss. That is the whole difference, and it is why the stop must be recomputed after every add, whichever method you use.

Scaling out: taking partial profits

Here the trade is 200 shares bought at $50 with a stop at $48, so the initial risk (1R) is $400. Two plans are compared: hold everything to a $56 target, or sell half at $52 and move the stop on the rest to $50, the entry price.

What price doesHold allScale out
Falls straight to $48−1R−1R
Reaches $52, then falls to $48−1R+0.5R
Reaches $56+3R+2R

Hold all: 200 shares to $56 or $48. Scale out: 100 sold at $52, stop on the other 100 moved to $50. With 1R = $400, the results are −$400, −$400 or +$1,200 for holding, and −$400, +$200 or +$800 for scaling out. Hypothetical, before costs. Scaling out turns the middle scenario from a loss into a gain, and gives up one third of the profit in the best one. Which plan earns more depends only on how often each scenario happens: holding everything comes out ahead when the full run to $56 happens more than 1.5 times as often as the reversal after $52, because it gains 1R more in the first case and gives up 1.5R in the second.

Hold all or scale out: the result in each scenario

Falls straight to the stop−1.0R−1.0RReaches the first target, then the stop−1.0R+0.5RReaches the full target+3.0R+2.0R
  • Hold all
  • Scale out
Hypothetical example, computed from the assumptions in the text.Hypothetical trade from the table above: 200 shares, entry $50, stop $48, half sold at $52 with the stop moved to entry, full target $56. Results in R (1R = $400), before costs.

Moving the stop after a partial exit

Moving the stop to the entry price after the first exit is what makes the middle row positive: the half still open can no longer lose. A trailing stop goes one step further and follows the price, which locks in part of the open gain but can close the trade on an ordinary pullback. Each choice is a new trade-off between the losses you avoid and the gains you cut, and the same table method applies: write the scenarios, compute the result of each in R.

Fixed stop versus trailing stop

Fixed stop: stays where it was setTrailing stopmoves up with the price, never downSame distanceEntryExit
Schematic, not market data.A trailing stop follows the price after the partial exit: it locks in part of the gain, and an ordinary pullback can close the rest.

What scaling costs

Each extra entry or exit is one more order, and every order pays the spread and any commission. Two entries and two exits cost twice as much as one of each, and the R values in the table above are before those costs. On a long-term trade the difference is small; on a short trade with a close target it can take a large share of the gain, the same problem our scalping page measures.

Scaling also needs a position large enough to split. You cannot sell half of one contract or of one share. The Turtle rules show the limit in their own example: on a $100,000 account, the size for one Unit of heating oil came out at 1.688 contracts and was rounded down to 1, which leaves nothing to scale. On a small account, check that each slice is at least the minimum order size before you plan on several.

Is it true that 97% of day traders lose money?

The figure comes from one study of the Brazilian equity futures market: among individuals who began day trading between 2013 and 2015 and persisted for at least 300 days, "97% of them lost money". It is a measured result for that market and period, not a universal law, and it does not separate traders who scaled in or out from those who did not. Scaling changes the shape of each trade's result; it does not create an edge where there is none.

Exits and targets are compared on risk reward ratio and stop loss order; more definitions are in trading concepts.

Frequently asked questions

What does scaling in mean in trading?

Building a position in several entries rather than one. Adding to a winner raises the average price; adding to a loser lowers it but increases the position while the trade goes against you.

What is scaling out of a position?

Closing a position in several parts, for example half at a first target and the rest later. It locks in part of the gain but reduces the profit if price reaches the final target.

Does scaling out reduce risk?

Only after the first exit, and only if you move the stop on the remainder. If the stop is hit before the first target, the loss is the same as with a single exit.

Is scaling in better than a single entry?

It depends on how the stop is managed. In our example, adding 100 shares at $52 to 100 at $50 tripled the risk from $200 to $600 until the stop was raised to $50.

How do I know if scaling out works for me?

Count, in your past trades, how often price hit the first target then the stop, and how often it went on to the full target. In the example on this page, holding everything wins when the full run is more than 1.5 times as frequent.

What is the difference between pyramiding and averaging down?

Pyramiding adds to a position only after it shows a profit, so the average price rises behind the market. Averaging down adds after the price has moved against you: the average falls, but the position grows while the trade is losing, and only the stop caps the loss.

Can I scale out with a small account?

Only if the position can be split. One contract or one share cannot be sold in halves, so check that each planned slice is at least the minimum order size, and count the extra spread and commission of each order.

Sources

  1. Chague, De-Losso and Giovannetti, Day trading for a living?, 2020 (RePEc)
  2. The Original Turtle Trading Rules (PDF, Trading Blox)
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